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Matilda Bawden's avatar

Seems he hasn’t forestalled anything but started WWIII! It was so unnecessary and hardly well thought out.

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Stephen Reason's avatar

Well, respectfully, the 12-Day-War did not escalate beyond 12-days. It is not currently WWIII. It was not started by Trump. Sure, the Israeli-Iranian conflict may recommence at any stage, but Trump did broker a ceasefire, and he did remove the stated Israeli motive for the conflict (by "destroying" three of Iran's nuclear facilities). The unstated Israeli motive was always regime change (to establish regional dominance), that would have involved American planes-in-the-air and boots-on-the-ground and countless American lives. Basically, I believe that there is ample evidence to conclude that Trump acted to end the conflict prematurely, and to prevent another American "endless war" in the Middle East. It would be true to say that the subject of WWIII is no longer in the current new's cycle. It is over for now ...forestalled.

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Matilda Bawden's avatar

Oh pleeez! That’s just an absurd proposition to justify attacking a sovereign country. You reckon the Fatwa now just disappears? Only 12 days? It shouldn’t have been one! It was only 1314 days between Pearl Harbour and Hiroshima.

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Stephen Reason's avatar

It may seem absurd, but the evidence suggests that that is exactly what happened. Without Operation Midnight Hammer ending the conflict at 12-days, American would now be directly involved in an "endless" Israeli-spearheaded "regime change" war in Iran. The Israelis had initiated the fighting against the Iranians to remove the imaginary "30-year-old nuclear threat," while truly attempting to overthrow the current Islamic Republic of Iran and depose Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Israel was hoping to defeat Iran and effectively secure complete regional dominance. The Israelis were not going to stop, and they absolutely required America to enter the war on their behalf. There was enormous pressure (and expectation) that the bamboozled Trump Administration would be forced to commit to this new war. It seemed inevitable. This would have placed American soldiers directly on the ground of the conflict. It would have cost countless lives on all sides. It would also have been unpredictably chaotic, and yet another interventionist war of occupation. In accord with Utilitarian Philosophy: take one reprehensible action to effect an outcome in which more lives are saved (often the lesser evil, and often explained in a hypothetical context in which the killing of a small number of people will result in the survival of a greater number of individuals; or in this case, the bombing of three nuclear sites in a sovereign country prevents a larger war) -- my contention is that Trump bombed the nuclear sites only to prevent the loss of American, Iranian and Israeli lives: the lesser of the "evils" available.

I agree, ideally, there should never have been an attack on a sovereign country, but once the 12-Day War was started by Israel it was not supposed to end. America was being shunted into another protracted war, that may have escalated into a Third World War. Operation Midnight Hammer (and all the propaganda about "complete obliteration" and "Hiroshima-like") was used to project that something significant had been done by America that could be seen as final, and war ending, and used to secure a ceasefire.

And yes, it is likely to continue, but I have argued that the evidence suggests that it was not meant to end at this premature juncture. Operation Rising Lion was a surprise attack that will not be able to be repeated. With the cessation of direct kinetic warfare between the countries, the momentum for regime change has been disrupted, and the true objective revealed. Armageddon has been forestalled...

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Sandra's avatar

Agree except, everything seems to be well thought out in my opinion - to create chaos and the illusion of democracy and keep us glued to our tvs/newspapers. Trump, while seemingly the better option, is controlled. If he’s a hero to some he’s playing that role well.

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rrodynmac's avatar

I’ve heard talk of a soon to be decommissioned USS aircraft carrier “Nimitz” heading to the Persian Gulf. The aim is for Iran to fire on it, thus bring America back into this “war” which is really just regime change that’s wanted, because Iran hasn’t come into the Globalists money system “yet”. They apparently don’t have a central “private” bank like “The Fed”, or our own Reserve Bank. I don’t know where the aircraft carrier is now-it has its transponder off, and there is a particular US website that updates where the Nimitz is every seven days.

Sorry, but I don’t have the website, I’ll try to find it.

Maybe other people know about this?

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Stephen Reason's avatar

The Israelis did not get what they wanted from this conflict (yes, it was always about regime change), and they will surely attempt to drag America into another conflict by some imminent "event" to achieve their objective. It may be finished for now, but it is certainly not over. I had read that the soon-to-be decommissioned "Nimitz" might be used as a false flag trigger... that might be too obvious now.

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rrodynmac's avatar

Thanks for that comment Stephen, I agree strongly!

And I re-read your article, and it does really seem that Trump (and his aides of course), did avert a planned much longer war. On the second reading, I really am surprised that Trump could do that! I didn’t think he had enough “political power” to do so.

But I agree, this is not over. And that “gold pager” is the sickest thing yet! I wish they could get Bibi convicted of war crimes, which he has surely committed.

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

What a load of Trump rah rah horseshit. The guy is as dumb as said horseshit.

There is zero evidence that his “magic” bombs did much at all. He is like all US presidents, a Zionist lick spittle, who basically saved them from a humiliating back down.

The US is as senile and bumbling as Biden, and when it falls, the Zionist project will fall with it.

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Stephen Reason's avatar

To the contrary, there is evidence that his "magic" bombs did everything they intended to achieve — they prematurely stopped the war at the 12-day mark. Whether theatrical propaganda, or whether they did everything the adjective "obliterated" implies (the truth is probably somewhere in between) — they ended the Israeli pretext of targeting "uranium enrichment," and in so doing, they also ended what was to be a protracted regime change war directly involving America.

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Hussein Hopper's avatar

You clearly believe the mainstream media, white press briefings and Trump. With such a level ignorance, no point engaging at all.

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Stephen Reason's avatar

All that was required to make sense of my reply was basic English comprehension skills - it was not that hard. It is certainly easy to trash and be critical of someone else's work, especially since you have published nothing yourself, and have proven nothing and are risking no such critical reciprocation. It is also cowardly to then block the person you have attacked, especially given that I replied respectfully. Anyway, it is best not to be a hysterical man, as nobody respects a hysterical man.

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rrodynmac's avatar

Why attack the messenger? Or perhaps I should say author.

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